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March 11, 2004

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Conor

"When Eta attacks, the Basque heart breaks into a thousand pieces," : Juan Jose Ibarretxe, the Basque regional president, stressing that Eta does not represent the Basque people.

That sums up this distinction for me. I also think that there will be not an inconsiderable number of armchair supporters and perhaps even members of ETA who will now turn their backs on the terrorists and overtly or covertly assist federal and regional security authorities in trying to ensure this does not happen again. Even some of those in Spain still wedded to the use of strategic paramilitary force to achieve their goals will surely see this as an "own goal" - a horrible analogy that has become part of the parlance of terror.

Frank McGahon

Quite, the old "heroic freedom fighter" canard will be much harder to maintain. There's nothing heroic about blowing up nurses, cleaners, shop assistants and office workers.

Dick O'Brien

Frank, what are you talking about? 186 people die and the first thing you can think of is kicking the BBC. I could argue the fact that if you commit such an atrocity, it goes without saying you're a terrorist. However, I've been dipping in and out of BBC TV coverage all day. On numerous occasions they referred to them as 'terrorists'. They also called them 'separatists', 'extremists' and 'militants'. In fact, I'm watching the BBC right now and they just called them the 'Basque terrorist group' again!

Frank McGahon

Good for them!

Kicking the BBC is not the first thing I thought of, but the persistent use of "Basque Separatists" really jarred

Joe

11 GMT and they still haven't used the "T" word.
When will they learn that human life has some value?

Ciarán

I wondered when Frank would come out with his typical pedantic semanitcs....same 'ol crap we hear in Ireland....

anyhow on another point i heard Kofi Annan earlier saying that the death of innocents is completely unjustifiable no matter the cause... i take it this didn't apply to the Afghan citizens who had body bags with their names on them months before hand...

the attacks on Spain today were completely horrific and indefensible to any right thinking person, however lets hear this same
humanitarian rhetoric when it hapens somewhere outside the 'west'...

Frank McGahon

Ciaran, it is you who is availing of dodgy semantics. There is a huge difference between intentional murder and accidental death. If this had been a gas explosion it would have been a tragedy but would not be viewed the same way as a terrorist attack. Who are the afghan citizens you refer to?

Emily

I've been bracing myself for someone to make the dubious case for the moral equivalency of unintentional collateral damage during war and the full intent to murder civilians on purpose.

God help those who can't see the difference.

Ciarán

Emily, I've been bracing myself for someone gullible enough to believe the 'unintentional collateral damage' shit....


well done..

Ciarán

Emily, I've been bracing myself for someone gullible enough to believe the 'unintentional collateral damage' shit....


well done..

Emilyi

Of course. The bloodthirsty coalition forces couldn't wait to get over there and start blowing up the innocent people of Afghanistan. After all, why bomb some place strategic so you can, you know, win the war, when you can bomb a playground filled with schoolchildren just to be evil.

Stunning. Really.

Frank McGahon

Ciaran, you can brace yourself all you like but the distinction between unintentional homicide and intentional murder is an integral part of law and morality. If you refuse to recognise it you must logically treat a serial killer and, say, a negligent busdriver exactly the same.

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