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J.Cassian

"What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?" (Captain Zapp Brannigan)

OK, so it's not a serious contribution to the debate, but the point needed raising...

Frank McGahon

Excellent stuff!

E. Goldstein

Why on earth are so many "irish libertarians" just ciphers for neoconservatism, that bastard child of trotskyite intellectuals, and liberal hawks? Neutrality is a perfectly morally justifiable for a state, and is certainly compatible with a libertarian mindset - going right back to Washingtons' Farewell Address. The purpose of a State is to first safeguard the welfare of its own citizens, not to cover itself with glory; nothing is so disgusting as the chickenhawks who scribble about duty and honour while conveniently sending other men to their deaths. You want to fight the infidel so badly? Join up then, put yourselves in harms way. No one is condeming the Swiss for their high mountains, not the Russians for their harsh winters, but apparently the Irish are always to be sent on an eternal guilt-trip for something or other; we just exchange one group of obnoxious, finger-wagging tub-thumping high-priests for another.

Frank McGahon

Why on earth are so many "irish libertarians" just ciphers for neoconservatism, that bastard child of trotskyite intellectuals, and liberal hawks?

Why on earth don't people Read. Things. Properly before bashing out the boilerplate on their keyboards? Go and read this other discussion at least please before you start whaling on that big strawman you got there. As it happens, I actually don't describe myself as a libertarian and I'm certainly not a neoconservative or a cipher thereof.

The purpose of a State is to first safeguard the welfare of its own citizens, not to cover itself with glory

I can agree with that. My problem is when this amoral self-interested stance is elevated as some kind of high moral principle and exemplar for others.

Incidentally, "obnoxious, finger-wagging tub-thumping high-priests" is a pretty good description of the Neutrality-boosters.

julia galetti

as an immigrant song by led zepplin tells me to say i did remember bobby sands 8 and who could eat after that since 1848 i believe my politicl stance in the europa theatre is this cork is ok isnt it your friend juliaof 4f fair fabrics for females

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